So, we all knew coming in that, if DG got hurt, we were in trouble. That's happened. It's time to change expectations for the season. It's 1999 again, time to build toward 2000.
So, we all knew coming in that, if DG got hurt, we were in trouble. That's happened. It's time to change expectations for the season. It's 1999 again, time to build toward 2000.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
So, we all knew coming in that, if DG got hurt, we were in trouble. That's happened. It's time to change expectations for the season. It's 1999 again, time to build toward 2000.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
My main concern at this point is that they hold the '23 class together and that the recruits can see what the staff is doing.
So, we all knew coming in that, if DG got hurt, we were in trouble. That's happened. It's time to change expectations for the season. It's 1999 again, time to build toward 2000.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
I don't really think that is why Kanak isn't playing. BV's defense is very demanding mentally on his LB's and Cheetah position. Kanak has the physical tools, but he needs to know the system better. Now, one could argue, that none of the others seem to know it either. But that is a different discussion.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
I think the thought process is that they will continually have the positions loaded behind these guys, so why "waste" a year with the kid everywhere but where they need him on the field. I see what you're saying, but I think it's a bit different if these guys recruit like they did at Clempson...just keep reloading.
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
I think the thought process is that they will continually have the positions loaded behind these guys, so why "waste" a year with the kid everywhere but where they need him on the field. I see what you're saying, but I think it's a bit different if these guys recruit like they did at Clempson...just keep reloading.
Yea true but I still dont think Kanak will redshirt this year but I bet thats what we do with guys we havent really seen like RSJ ..Gentry...etc..
So, we all knew coming in that, if DG got hurt, we were in trouble. That's happened. It's time to change expectations for the season. It's 1999 again, time to build toward 2000.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Did Kanak play against K State? He has a stat in every other game so if he played in the K State game then his redshirt is already burned. I don't ever get redshirting a guy that is that talented to be honest. If they are that good then they won't be here four years either way. He will play two and then go in the first round.
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
I don't really think that is why Kanak isn't playing. BV's defense is very demanding mentally on his LB's and Cheetah position. Kanak has the physical tools, but he needs to know the system better. Now, one could argue, that none of the others seem to know it either. But that is a different discussion.
He also looks better playing it than any of the other guys too. He doesn't have that TBOW time bomb planted in his brain to explode at any moment.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Did Kanak play against K State? He has a stat in every other game so if he played in the K State game then his redshirt is already burned. I don't ever get redshirting a guy that is that talented to be honest. If they are that good then they won't be here four years either way. He will play two and then go in the first round.
I don't know if he did or not. You raise a good point on this specific player because he's played STs all year to this point. I guess my argument is in general and not necessarily just pertaining to Kanak.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
When BV got back to OU he said he didn't want to play freshmen because he wanted them to mature physically. Ultimately I think he wants to get into the Bama/Clemson mold where the younger guys wait their turn and step up when they are upperclassmen. It takes time to build that depth and I hope we can get there.
Edit: sorry didn't see the earlier post where this was covered.
Did Kanak play against K State? He has a stat in every other game so if he played in the K State game then his redshirt is already burned. I don't ever get redshirting a guy that is that talented to be honest. If they are that good then they won't be here four years either way. He will play two and then go in the first round.
I don't know if he did or not. You raise a good point on this specific player because he's played STs all year to this point. I guess my argument is in general and not necessarily just pertaining to Kanak.
Yea, I get the general argument and that may be what they are doing. You just mentioned Kanak and I was more just diving in to my own curiosity lol
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
When BV got back to OU he said he didn't want to play freshmen because he wanted them to mature physically. Ultimately I think he wants to get into the Bama/Clemson mold where the younger guys wait their turn and step up when they are upperclassmen. It takes time to build that depth and I hope we can get there.
It would be interesting to see how they did it at Clemson and Bama. Did they play freshman or take the same kind of approach and just do what they could with the current older guys and really develop and get the new guys ready when it was their time. We may be in the "we want what our parents had without taking the time to build up to it like they did" phase as fans lol. But I found a video on YouTube that was every loss of the Saban era of Bama and I forget that Saban had a 7-6 record his first year and losing his last 4 games of the regular season in 2007. And Swinney was 9-5 in his first full year and 6-7 his second season. He didn't start winning until his third year.
Which would be less of a problem if TBOW hadn't gutted our QB room when he left.
Last year was kind of the same? Behind Williams who did we have? Rattler was a bust and went downhill and nobody else was going to play. Funny though, I went to look at the roster from last year to see the QBs and they have removed any player that transferred out from last year's roster. Rattler is on the 2020 but not on the 2021 and Williams isn't on the 2021.
So, we all knew coming in that, if DG got hurt, we were in trouble. That's happened. It's time to change expectations for the season. It's 1999 again, time to build toward 2000.
1000% agree. Right now I think 7-5/8-4 and a bowl win is the goal. We have a bunch of no-talent old guys playing right now. The electric athletes are all being saved for next year and beyond. I truly think that's why we haven't seen much of Kanak; they're getting him his four games and that's it. They are gonna be smart about this and, as painful as it may be to watch, OU will be MUCH better for it starting next year. I still believe that in three years they will be hunting for #8.
Could be, but why waste him in the first 2 games and then KSU/TCU on special teams?
Thats kind of dumb though bc if a player is that good they wont play 4 years anyways.
When BV got back to OU he said he didn't want to play freshmen because he wanted them to mature physically. Ultimately I think he wants to get into the Bama/Clemson mold where the younger guys wait their turn and step up when they are upperclassmen. It takes time to build that depth and I hope we can get there.
Edit: sorry didn't see the earlier post where this was covered.
Im sure it's been hammered to death, but the immaturity and the lack of quality seniors is a big part. Typically with large turnover there are a handful of upperclassmen who are around to help teach the system to the younger players. There is nobody on defense that's played for BV, so EVERYBODY is learning how to play for him at the same time. The only person that's played under Lebby is DG. And DG isn't Bake, or K1, etc. Give it a year or two, it will pay dividends when everyone grasps the schemes and what's expected. There was no way we were gonna run the table this year unless we were playing group of 5 teams all year and just physically manhandle the other team. Im expecting at least 3 more loses.
"I'm not saying it was aliens...but it was aliens."
When BV got back to OU he said he didn't want to play freshmen because he wanted them to mature physically. Ultimately I think he wants to get into the Bama/Clemson mold where the younger guys wait their turn and step up when they are upperclassmen. It takes time to build that depth and I hope we can get there.
It would be interesting to see how they did it at Clemson and Bama. Did they play freshman or take the same kind of approach and just do what they could with the current older guys and really develop and get the new guys ready when it was their time. We may be in the "we want what our parents had without taking the time to build up to it like they did" phase as fans lol. But I found a video on YouTube that was every loss of the Saban era of Bama and I forget that Saban had a 7-6 record his first year and losing his last 4 games of the regular season in 2007. And Swinney was 9-5 in his first full year and 6-7 his second season. He didn't start winning until his third year.
Alabama HAS played freshman; both early in Saban and even now if they are good enough.
It would be interesting to see how they did it at Clemson and Bama. Did they play freshman or take the same kind of approach and just do what they could with the current older guys and really develop and get the new guys ready when it was their time. We may be in the "we want what our parents had without taking the time to build up to it like they did" phase as fans lol. But I found a video on YouTube that was every loss of the Saban era of Bama and I forget that Saban had a 7-6 record his first year and losing his last 4 games of the regular season in 2007. And Swinney was 9-5 in his first full year and 6-7 his second season. He didn't start winning until his third year.
Alabama HAS played freshman; both early in Saban and even now if they are good enough.
On occasion absolutely, but not as a rule. If you go look at their starters, 18 are juniors/seniors. The portal has changed some things even for Bama. But when you are playing 20 - 22 year olds against 18s, that's a big difference.
When BV got back to OU he said he didn't want to play freshmen because he wanted them to mature physically. Ultimately I think he wants to get into the Bama/Clemson mold where the younger guys wait their turn and step up when they are upperclassmen. It takes time to build that depth and I hope we can get there.
Edit: sorry didn't see the earlier post where this was covered.
Im sure it's been hammered to death, but the immaturity and the lack of quality seniors is a big part. Typically with large turnover there are a handful of upperclassmen who are around to help teach the system to the younger players. There is nobody on defense that's played for BV, so EVERYBODY is learning how to play for him at the same time. The only person that's played under Lebby is DG. And DG isn't Bake, or K1, etc. Give it a year or two, it will pay dividends when everyone grasps the schemes and what's expected. There was no way we were gonna run the table this year unless we were playing group of 5 teams all year and just physically manhandle the other team. Im expecting at least 3 more loses.
Listening to Gabe and Teddy's podcast from Monday Gabe was saying that he noticed before the game that the TCU players looked more physically developed than the OU team and was really surprised by that...
