Recruiting Stars Debate

dhsou4life
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 14:33:28 GMT

Post by dhsou4life on Jan 30, 2022 14:33:28 GMT

Clearly, with such a short time with OU, BV et al are having to do catch up work with kids that he may or may not have built a relationship with at Clemson. Great job. Also, there is a focus on Oklahoma kids like under Bob prior to "going national."

However, is anyone concerned about the 3 star emphasis (if it can be characterized as such)?

Some of the playoff contending schools try to get a certain percent of top 10 rated kids or at least that is the result of their classes as shown on 247. We are getting lower rated kids right now except in a few exceptions. Even if the rankers give a kid a boost into the top 10 because they go to Bama, they are still being picked by Bama over others and Bama has more NFL guys and titles in the last 8 years than anyone.

OR is this a fake news stat and tells no tales about future on-field performance?

Percent of top 10 rated kids per 247 consensus 2022 class heading into NLI Day.

Bama 62.5 %
A&M 62.0%
UGA 44%
Ohio St 38%
Clemson 29.4
Penn St 25%
Irish 23.8
OU 23.5% (Gentry Will dropped to 11th, or else OU is tied with Clemson!)
NC 17%
texsa 14%
Meatchicken 13%

Baylor 0%
USC 50% (but only 8 commits LOL)

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Bob Edwards
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 15:26:33 GMT OldTimer 🏆 likes this

Post by Bob Edwards on Jan 30, 2022 15:26:33 GMT

We definitely NEED elite talent to compete against the elite team. The question is who do you trust to identify and evaluate that talent, an elite coach or a journalist/recruiting guru? I did an analysis a while back of Bama's recruit rankings over time. What I saw was Bama got commitments from a number of 3* who turned into 4* after committing to Bama. Part of star ranking is the reputation of the teams recruiting the player. The right way to recruit is to hire elite coaches and let them determine who are the best players for their scheme. As you have success, the star ranking of your players will start to reflect that success. That's part because your success opens doors to high ranked recruits and part because the recruiting services trust your evaluations and adjust their rankings accordingly.

sbevan
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 17:40:43 GMT

Post by sbevan on Jan 30, 2022 17:40:43 GMT

Not based solely on stars but NEED a high average to compete for NCs. I like the fact BV is recruiting in-state and regional talent. I have always thought for the most part kids from Oklahoma, Kansas, west texsa, Nebraska, Colorado, New Mexico are typically undervalued. What would Kanak be ranks nationally if he was from Houston or Atlanta? What about the TE from Nebraska, Helms? Our 2023 OL from Colorado, Josh Bates? In addition to that, we have to start getting our share of highly rated kids like Overton, Hicks, LeBlanc...

OldTimer 🏆
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 18:23:30 GMT Bob Edwards likes this

Post by OldTimer 🏆 on Jan 30, 2022 18:23:30 GMT

We can’t say stars don’t mean anything when it comes to recruiting just because we’re not getting the 5* at the present time. Much data has been supplied that shows they do mean something. The only time I would prefer a 3* over a 5* is if we were going by position of NEED only. One thing I believe isn’t taken into consideration by ranking services is character. I would rather have a three that played hard over a five that felt he was owed something. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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houligan2bot
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 18:51:01 GMT

Post by houligan2bot on Jan 30, 2022 18:51:01 GMT

IMO stars do matter but a lot of variables. Mostly those are kids in larger schools whose talent is apparent. Some kids, especially from smaller schools in 'flyover states, make their rep and stars after some camp appearances. But there are so many of these kids that don't camp and don't get the pub. Even the services don't often agree and some have a kid as a 3* while others a 4* and some services rank a kid as the 3rd best RB and other services as the 12th best. Then there's the Oline/Dline guys who are so big they dominate at that level but don't do so well when paired against similar size and talent. Then, the point Bob made about which team is recruiting the kid and some schools being favored in that regard .. cough bama cough ohiostate cough .. With the larger staff of analysts OU is now in a position to look at more film and further define which kids 'fit' their schemes then which kids 'fit' OUr culture. Stars matter but in the end, I trust the staff to sift through and get the right guys.

Crusher
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 19:40:50 GMT via mobile

Post by Crusher on Jan 30, 2022 19:40:50 GMT

You can look at stars, but often a kid’s offer list will tell you more. One of the things I’m most looking forward to with the staff change is better player development. I believe this will have a significant effect on the program as a whole.

Last Edit: Jan 30, 2022 19:41:23 GMT by Crusher

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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 21:34:44 GMT

Post by OldTimer 🏆 on Jan 30, 2022 21:34:44 GMT

Jan 30, 2022 19:40:50 GMT Crusher said:

You can look at stars, but often a kid’s offer list will tell you more. One of the things I’m most looking forward to with the staff change is better player development. I believe this will have a significant effect on the program as a whole.

Sometimes I wonder if all the offers they show are actually committable.

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Crusher
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 30, 2022 22:04:22 GMT

Post by Crusher on Jan 30, 2022 22:04:22 GMT

Jan 30, 2022 21:34:44 GMT OldTimer 🏆 said:

Jan 30, 2022 19:40:50 GMT Crusher said:

You can look at stars, but often a kid’s offer list will tell you more. One of the things I’m most looking forward to with the staff change is better player development. I believe this will have a significant effect on the program as a whole.

Sometimes I wonder if all the offers they show are actually committable.

True, but I would guess that other than a few select programs most offers are committable. You can drill down even further into position groups and certain schools. Back in the day, a DB offer from Patterson at TCU would bring more weight to me than one from other B12 schools. When it mainly comes into play is when you have a 3* kid out there and he holds offers from several significant P5 schools. The staffs know something that the services don't at that point.

OldTimer 🏆
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Recruiting Stars Debate Jan 31, 2022 1:45:16 GMT

Post by OldTimer 🏆 on Jan 31, 2022 1:45:16 GMT

Jan 30, 2022 22:04:22 GMT Crusher said:

Jan 30, 2022 21:34:44 GMT OldTimer 🏆 said:

Sometimes I wonder if all the offers they show are actually committable.

True, but I would guess that other than a few select programs most offers are committable. You can drill down even further into position groups and certain schools. Back in the day, a DB offer from Patterson at TCU would bring more weight to me than one from other B12 schools. When it mainly comes into play is when you have a 3* kid out there and he holds offers from several significant P5 schools. The staffs know something that the services don't at that point.

That’s probably true.

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Recruiting Stars Debate

Post by dhsou4life on Jan 30, 2022 14:33:28 GMT

Post by SCKSChief on Jan 30, 2022 14:39:32 GMT

Post by Bob Edwards on Jan 30, 2022 15:26:33 GMT

Post by sbevan on Jan 30, 2022 17:40:43 GMT

Post by OldTimer 🏆 on Jan 30, 2022 18:23:30 GMT

Post by houligan2bot on Jan 30, 2022 18:51:01 GMT

Post by Crusher on Jan 30, 2022 19:40:50 GMT

Post by OldTimer 🏆 on Jan 30, 2022 21:34:44 GMT

Post by Crusher on Jan 30, 2022 22:04:22 GMT

Post by OldTimer 🏆 on Jan 31, 2022 1:45:16 GMT

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