Why do we suck so bad?

daddyr
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 16:01:04 GMT

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 16:01:04 GMT

Lots of teams go thru changes. And we are certainly one of those. However, what we've seen the past 2 games is abysmal, and should never again be OU football. I know we lost a lot of players, etc.. but the horses we have are still better than the tcu's and ksu's off the world. At least so much so that we should not be BLOWN AWAY. So what gives? Is BV scheme really that difficult? Are our players really just trash? No rush, no tackles, no turnovers, no nothing.

My thoughts:

Defense-
go back to solid 4-man front. 1st 3 games we're in 4-man, we lead nation in TFL and are in close in sacks and just great at all around disruption of the play. This 3 man front gets ZERO pressure and relies on the blitz too much, which leave us too vulnerable on the back end. 4 man front, all damn game please.

Play the younger guys. I noticed towards middle to end of TCU game, they were rotating in many folks I hadnt really seen much of. Keep doing it. Hell, let them start. Find guys who want to be great, and let them loose... no matter how young.

Offense-
RUN. THE. FOOTBALL. DG is good enough, but with his penchant for overthrows he's not gonna be a superstar any time soon. He needs help. He needs a run first, ball control offense. And frankly, so does our shitty defense. One of best ways to improve defense, KEEP THEM OFF THE FIELD. This team, and especially this defense, would benefit immensely from slowing down the game, running the football, and DOMINATING time of possession. Im perfectly okay with winning games 24-17. At least its a win. OU doesnt have to be a "showboat" offense every year. Control the ground, control the clock, score points, and limit time defense is on the field.

Backup qb situation. For the love of all things sooners, I hope to never see Beville step foot on the field again. Im really not sure why he is on the team. Has to be worst qb i've seen in an OU uniform, in possibly my lifetime (41 years.) If DG is out for extended period, or out ever again at all, please go to Booty or Evers, or anyone else but Beville. I really hope that guy is NOT on scholarship. Wow.

Team wise -
I saw RBear 💩🌳🌲🌳🌲? mention pick captains and stick with them. Let them lead. I whole heartedly agree. This rotating crap is gimmicky, and Ive heard other places have tried it too and it also sucked. Pick your captains, (you seriously have to know who they are by now) and let them LEAD.

Keep pushing. I know everything is new, but thats not an excuse to get blown out by the tcu's and ksu's of the world. FFS. This is OU! Freaking play like you enjoy our history and WANT TO BE A SOONER!!!

"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"

shawneesooner
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 16:16:21 GMT SCKSChief likes this

Post by shawneesooner on Oct 3, 2022 16:16:21 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 16:01:04 GMT daddyr said:

Lots of teams go thru changes. And we are certainly one of those. However, what we've seen the past 2 games is abysmal, and should never again be OU football. I know we lost a lot of players, etc.. but the horses we have are still better than the tcu's and ksu's off the world. At least so much so that we should not be BLOWN AWAY. So what gives? Is BV scheme really that difficult? Are our players really just trash? No rush, no tackles, no turnovers, no nothing.

My thoughts:

Defense-
go back to solid 4-man front. 1st 3 games we're in 4-man, we lead nation in TFL and are in close in sacks and just great at all around disruption of the play. This 3 man front gets ZERO pressure and relies on the blitz too much, which leave us too vulnerable on the back end. 4 man front, all damn game please.

Play the younger guys. I noticed towards middle to end of TCU game, they were rotating in many folks I hadnt really seen much of. Keep doing it. Hell, let them start. Find guys who want to be great, and let them loose... no matter how young.

Offense-
RUN. THE. FOOTBALL. DG is good enough, but with his penchant for overthrows he's not gonna be a superstar any time soon. He needs help. He needs a run first, ball control offense. And frankly, so does our shitty defense. One of best ways to improve defense, KEEP THEM OFF THE FIELD. This team, and especially this defense, would benefit immensely from slowing down the game, running the football, and DOMINATING time of possession. Im perfectly okay with winning games 24-17. At least its a win. OU doesnt have to be a "showboat" offense every year. Control the ground, control the clock, score points, and limit time defense is on the field.

Backup qb situation. For the love of all things sooners, I hope to never see Beville step foot on the field again. Im really not sure why he is on the team. Has to be worst qb i've seen in an OU uniform, in possibly my lifetime (41 years.) If DG is out for extended period, or out ever again at all, please go to Booty or Evers, or anyone else but Beville. I really hope that guy is NOT on scholarship. Wow.

Team wise -
I saw RBear 💩🌳🌲🌳🌲? mention pick captains and stick with them. Let them lead. I whole heartedly agree. This rotating crap is gimmicky, and Ive heard other places have tried it too and it also sucked. Pick your captains, (you seriously have to know who they are by now) and let them LEAD.

Keep pushing. I know everything is new, but thats not an excuse to get blown out by the tcu's and ksu's of the world. FFS. This is OU! Freaking play like you enjoy our history and WANT TO BE A SOONER!!!

Defense: busts and zero pressure....wide open no one within 30 yard busts......thats on the safeties(I think)
Offense: oline sucking and DG isnt what we were told

Crusher
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 16:25:05 GMT daddyr likes this

Post by Crusher on Oct 3, 2022 16:25:05 GMT

Defense:

I've always been taught/believed the more a qb gets hit the better your chances. Why the defense has gone so tentative the last 2 games I don't know. I do know there were zero sacks against KSU, did they get to Duggan at all?

Why are we the worst at getting any turnovers?

At one point they were using the word "chaos" to describe Venables' defense, now it just chaotic as to who is going to line up correctly.

Need to get their assignments down and play with some anticipation as opposed to thinking/reacting.

Offense:

Doesn't help when the QB isn't consistent. Lebby could do a better job getting some rhythm going. Know he likes to have the defense go side to side early to wear them out, but these 3 and outs early in games are killers. We had some great field position early in the TCU game and came away with exactly 3 points.

Can't overcome any setbacks (penalties or getting stopped on first/second down) right now, because you can't count on the QB to hit open receivers or find the wide open ones. 3rd down conversion rates have been horrible.

daddyr
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 16:25:28 GMT

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 16:25:28 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 16:16:21 GMT shawneesooner said:

Oct 3, 2022 16:01:04 GMT daddyr said:

Defense: busts and zero pressure....wide open no one within 30 yard busts......thats on the safeties(I think)
Offense: oline sucking and DG isnt what we were told

Quick and to the point, lol. Nice.

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daddyr
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 16:27:52 GMT shawneesooner likes this

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 16:27:52 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 16:25:05 GMT Crusher said:

Defense:

I've always been taught/believed the more a qb gets hit the better your chances. Why the defense has gone so tentative the last 2 games I don't know. I do know there were zero sacks against KSU, did they get to Duggan at all?

Why are we the worst at getting any turnovers?

At one point they were using the word "chaos" to describe Venables' defense, now it just chaotic as to who is going to line up correctly.

Need to get their assignments down and play with some anticipation as opposed to thinking/reacting.

Offense:

Doesn't help when the QB isn't consistent. Lebby could do a better job getting some rhythm going. Know he likes to have the defense go side to side early to wear them out, but these 3 and outs early in games are killers. We had some great field position early in the TCU game and came away with exactly 3 points.

Can't overcome any setbacks (penalties or getting stopped on first/second down) right now, because you can't count on the QB to hit open receivers or find the wide open ones. 3rd down conversion rates have been horrible.

This is why I feel we need the 4man front.. our 3man is garbage and we get zero pressure, and arent very good at stopping run game. DG is definitely unreliable right now. I truly think Lebby has to become run first, ball control offense. At the very least unitl DG show he can be more consistent. Would help out the whole team if we control time of possession.

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SCKSChief Moderator Posts: 11,038	Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 17:18:10 GMT daddyr likes this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by SCKSChief on Oct 3, 2022 17:18:10 GMT There is no talent in the upper classes. The transfers that were brought in were largely junk. This is the final death throes of the LiaR era.
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 17:48:33 GMT SCKSChief likes this

Post by Bob Edwards on Oct 3, 2022 17:48:33 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 17:18:10 GMT SCKSChief said:

There is no talent in the upper classes. The transfers that were brought in were largely junk. This is the final death throes of the LiaR era.

That with changing both offensive and defensive systems with players not recruited to the schemes and poorly developed both in S&C and coaching.

daddyr
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 18:38:13 GMT

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 18:38:13 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 17:48:33 GMT Bob Edwards said:

Oct 3, 2022 17:18:10 GMT SCKSChief said:

There is no talent in the upper classes. The transfers that were brought in were largely junk. This is the final death throes of the LiaR era.

That with changing both offensive and defensive systems with players not recruited to the schemes and poorly developed both in S&C and coaching.

I agree to an extent, but TCU had wholesale changes just like we did, new HC, OC, DC, strength coach too I think, and they sure dont look like ass like we do. They just trounced us with lesser talent, both players and coaches.

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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 3, 2022 20:52:12 GMT DCinNC and daddyr like this

Post by Bob Edwards on Oct 3, 2022 20:52:12 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 18:38:13 GMT daddyr said:

Oct 3, 2022 17:48:33 GMT Bob Edwards said:

That with changing both offensive and defensive systems with players not recruited to the schemes and poorly developed both in S&C and coaching.

I agree to an extent, but TCU had wholesale changes just like we did, new HC, OC, DC, strength coach too I think, and they sure dont look like ass like we do. They just trounced us with lesser talent, both players and coaches.

I do think part of the problem is BV trying to put two different defensives schemes in at the same time. He should have picked one and hammered on it until it was right and then start introducing #2.

soonergirl1201
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Why do we suck so bad? Oct 6, 2022 0:49:13 GMT cushcreekmonk likes this

Post by soonergirl1201 on Oct 6, 2022 0:49:13 GMT

Ive said this a bunch of different ways but I think the real difference between last years team and this years team is not having a stellar QB. Like it or not, the defense was pretty darn bad last year. Yet, in the games we "closely" won, it was always because CW made the clutch play and allowed us to outscore the other team. The games we lost - he didn't. Now fast forward to this year and it isn't fair but for us to have won games like we did last year, we needed a stellar QB who made the critical plays to allow us to keep scoring. Dillon just hasn't been that for us in the last 2 games. We then fall behind (because the defense isn't going to stop much of anyone just like they didn't last year), we get too far behind to catch up with mediocre QB play.

What would have been really great is for Lincoln to really have focused on fixing the defense when he had an offense that would totally cover while the transition was taking place. Maybe he tried with Grinch, I don't know. But now that we don't have that stellar QB who can keep the offense scoring even just as well as last year, we are losing the games because our D can't stop anyone still.

So the other thing that would have been great this year is to have a QB that is truly above average that can make critical plays and extend drives and we probably wouldn't all be so depressed. We probably would have won the KSU game 47-44 and we may have won the TCU game 62-55. I know in the actual game TCU could have named their score - but if you build in us taking the game time to score 62 that would have probably limited them to just what they had (all conjecture assuming we had a Caleb Williams playing QB and running off clock, etc).

Last Edit: Oct 6, 2022 0:51:45 GMT by soonergirl1201

vyper
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Why do we suck so bad? Nov 12, 2022 22:30:25 GMT via mobile

Post by vyper on Nov 12, 2022 22:30:25 GMT

1. TBOW decimated this team. He knew he was taking the HC position at usc and instead of being a man and doing the right thing and informing the university, he slipped away like a thief in the night. All the while he and his staff were apparently recruiting for usc while still on OU’s dime and then poached all the offense talent from the Sooners.

2. Venables was hired and inherited a desperate situation, Oklahoma was hemorrhaging, with players leaving to join TBOW at usc. He had to make quick decisions and hires. None of these players are his. Lebby is not the right OC and neither is Roof and the rest of the co-defense coordinators, which is never a good decision. Bedenbaugh is also a relic from the past as we haven’t had a good offensive line in years!

Bottom line is the Sooners need a major overhaul in both recruiting and coaching staff. Problem is the more losses the harder recruiting becomes and we need elite 5 star talent, not mediocre 3 and 4 star players. Unfortunately this all falls on Venables shoulders and he has next season to turn this around or he will packing!

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Why do we suck so bad? Nov 13, 2022 17:49:31 GMT

Post by cushcreekmonk on Nov 13, 2022 17:49:31 GMT

OU is rushing at a high rate. The OL detractors are incorrect.

There are 3 HUGE PROBLEMS with the offense ~

Play calling in general (pass on 3rd and ONE from the 5), pass plays called (bubble screens and quick outs at the line of scrimmage and deep balls only - a tiny few to Stoops on slants (even with him, there tends to be short outs).
The ONLY QB is inaccurate with his throws and his reads. Having only a single so-so QB is a major error by the OC.
The WRs have some trouble separating, but then DROP far too many passes.

The defense is BAD, but in the two conference games the D held the other team under 28 points, OU is just 1 and 1.

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Bob Edwards
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Why do we suck so bad? Nov 14, 2022 16:00:49 GMT SCKSChief likes this

Post by Bob Edwards on Nov 14, 2022 16:00:49 GMT

1) Of all the 4* and 5* QB's LR recruited not a single one lasted more than two years. He left the QB room empty and we had to make do with what was available in the transfer portal in December. DG is a decent QB, he's not great. The others we have are a true freshmen and some short term rentals who arrived for fall practice.
2) Our best WR has the yips. We lost our WR coach right before the season and have a guy doing OJT at OU.
3) The OL was made weak and timid by too many years under Bennie Wylie. They've gotten better under Shmitty but you usually expect two years of S&C before an O Lineman is ready to play.
4) We had a decade of bad defense under Moops, Ruffin, and Grinch. We have some decent older players with bad habits from the previous regime and a few really talented true freshmen.
5) The DL suffers from the same problems as the OL (see #3).
6) Our DL recruiting has been mediocre since Jackie Shipp stopped recruiting (notice I didn't say left).
7) Our LB's suffer from the lackadaisical attitude of the previous regime. At least one is usually half a step or more from where he should be.
8) Or DB's suffer from years of bad coaching.
9) Tackling stared better but as fall camp gets farther in the mirror they are returning to old form.

And with all of those issues we were one score away in all the games where we had a QB for four quarters.

dhsou4life
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Why do we suck so bad? Dec 2, 2022 13:06:14 GMT via mobile

Post by dhsou4life on Dec 2, 2022 13:06:14 GMT

Oct 3, 2022 16:01:04 GMT daddyr said:

Lots of teams go thru changes. And we are certainly one of those. However, what we've seen the past 2 games is abysmal, and should never again be OU football. I know we lost a lot of players, etc.. but the horses we have are still better than the tcu's and ksu's off the world. At least so much so that we should not be BLOWN AWAY. So what gives? Is BV scheme really that difficult? Are our players really just trash? No rush, no tackles, no turnovers, no nothing.

My thoughts:

Defense-
go back to solid 4-man front. 1st 3 games we're in 4-man, we lead nation in TFL and are in close in sacks and just great at all around disruption of the play. This 3 man front gets ZERO pressure and relies on the blitz too much, which leave us too vulnerable on the back end. 4 man front, all damn game please.

Play the younger guys. I noticed towards middle to end of TCU game, they were rotating in many folks I hadnt really seen much of. Keep doing it. Hell, let them start. Find guys who want to be great, and let them loose... no matter how young.

Offense-
RUN. THE. FOOTBALL. DG is good enough, but with his penchant for overthrows he's not gonna be a superstar any time soon. He needs help. He needs a run first, ball control offense. And frankly, so does our shitty defense. One of best ways to improve defense, KEEP THEM OFF THE FIELD. This team, and especially this defense, would benefit immensely from slowing down the game, running the football, and DOMINATING time of possession. Im perfectly okay with winning games 24-17. At least its a win. OU doesnt have to be a "showboat" offense every year. Control the ground, control the clock, score points, and limit time defense is on the field.

Backup qb situation. For the love of all things sooners, I hope to never see Beville step foot on the field again. Im really not sure why he is on the team. Has to be worst qb i've seen in an OU uniform, in possibly my lifetime (41 years.) If DG is out for extended period, or out ever again at all, please go to Booty or Evers, or anyone else but Beville. I really hope that guy is NOT on scholarship. Wow.

Team wise -
I saw RBear 💩🌳🌲🌳🌲? mention pick captains and stick with them. Let them lead. I whole heartedly agree. This rotating crap is gimmicky, and Ive heard other places have tried it too and it also sucked. Pick your captains, (you seriously have to know who they are by now) and let them LEAD.

Keep pushing. I know everything is new, but thats not an excuse to get blown out by the tcu's and ksu's of the world. FFS. This is OU! Freaking play like you enjoy our history and WANT TO BE A SOONER!!!

dhsou4life
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Why do we suck so bad? Dec 2, 2022 13:09:00 GMT via mobile

Post by dhsou4life on Dec 2, 2022 13:09:00 GMT

If you watch the game again v Nebby they used a variety of fronts. 30 and 40, so it wasn’t just playing 30 man front. No. V K ST we used a 4 man front and the DE were destroyed. I thought posters said that the former staff underdeveloped the d kids? It appears to have been true. So blaming this current staff flies in the face of what we know.

Last Edit: Dec 2, 2022 13:09:51 GMT by dhsou4life

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Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 16:01:04 GMT

Post by shawneesooner on Oct 3, 2022 16:16:21 GMT

Post by Crusher on Oct 3, 2022 16:25:05 GMT

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 16:25:28 GMT

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 16:27:52 GMT

Post by SCKSChief on Oct 3, 2022 17:18:10 GMT

Post by Bob Edwards on Oct 3, 2022 17:48:33 GMT

Post by daddyr on Oct 3, 2022 18:38:13 GMT

Post by Bob Edwards on Oct 3, 2022 20:52:12 GMT

Post by soonergirl1201 on Oct 6, 2022 0:49:13 GMT

Post by vyper on Nov 12, 2022 22:30:25 GMT

Post by cushcreekmonk on Nov 13, 2022 17:49:31 GMT

Post by Bob Edwards on Nov 14, 2022 16:00:49 GMT

Post by dhsou4life on Dec 2, 2022 13:06:14 GMT

Post by dhsou4life on Dec 2, 2022 13:09:00 GMT

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