JV squad went last night. Threw down a 41-12 whipping that could have been so much worse. We actually took a knee at their 1 yard line with a minute left. The boys played really well. I'd guess we ran for 150+ and threw for nearly 300.
Post by oscarthewebbot on Oct 11, 2022 15:05:44 GMT
Ok. So I went back and re-watched the entire game. I took each play and put it into slo-mo mode and examined the technique and effort of each and every player so that I may have a better idea of how "far away" we truly are as to turning things around.
Ok, I didn't really do this. I have a life. LOL (at one point in my young days I actually did this) Hahahaha
I'm showing my football ignorance here but what is it about that wildcat package that automatically made the offensive line more physical? They were opening some massive holes and running at will with that package. And it isn't like they really had more blockers out there that they could have had in that Beville was still on the field. Is it just more hesitation with the defense that there anyone touching the ball has the threat to run or that the line was just more physical for some reason? And if so why the heck does that not translate to a standard offense package?
I'm showing my football ignorance here but what is it about that wildcat package that automatically made the offensive line more physical? They were opening some massive holes and running at will with that package. And it isn't like they really had more blockers out there that they could have had in that Beville was still on the field. Is it just more hesitation with the defense that there anyone touching the ball has the threat to run or that the line was just more physical for some reason? And if so why the heck does that not translate to a standard offense package?
It's not ignorance, it just adds another blocker to the equation when the Q is a true run threat.
I'm showing my football ignorance here but what is it about that wildcat package that automatically made the offensive line more physical? They were opening some massive holes and running at will with that package. And it isn't like they really had more blockers out there that they could have had in that Beville was still on the field. Is it just more hesitation with the defense that there anyone touching the ball has the threat to run or that the line was just more physical for some reason? And if so why the heck does that not translate to a standard offense package?
The wildcat showed me that, as Ive long been and advocate for, we should always have a wishbone package. EVERY YEAR. No, not as our base offense, but as a package to be used just as we used the wildcat. There will always be times where it is advantageous to go run heavy, and go right at them. No better package than the wishbone for this. This is freaking OKLAHOMA. Screw the wildcat. we gonna run that type of package ever, it should be our wishbone package.
Yep, basically just said why do you hate on a kid that loves the university and works hard and gives his all to play. And then said he "could have gone and played anywhere but chose to play here."
That's great to have kids that want to play here. Tons of them are on the team as walkons and don't play a snap.
This is better than any TBOW or Lebby quote on crappy play. This is why I like BV.
Yea, I still think BV is the guy. I think it has just become more evident that we need to get rid of TBOWs guys and get Brent's guys in there. I just hope he can convey this to recruits and hold on to the recruiting classes we have coming in. I think he can get there quick when he gets his guys in.
I've read a lot of the comments on here since the beatdown by Texsucks. Much is very true and frustrates me as well. However, I contribute much to my own fault for expecting an overnight turn around thinking the first three games were how every game was going to turn out.
What I've come to realize is just how much work we really needed and still need. The last three teams were so much bigger and physical which had to do with how much stronger they were than us and we just wore out eventually. Our season seats are close to the field and it was really evident how much bigger other teams were than us. So, I have to give this staff time to build the team to their expectations which is going to take longer than the few months they had to work with before the season started. They were trying to bring in replacements for the players who moved on to the NFL and those who transferred while developing a different culture and recruit.
We are watching a complete overhaul and there are some ugly parts filling holes until the new parts arrive. I know it is as frustrating for BV as us. We can verbally thrash what we see but the staff has to hold the team together. It's not a good look to recruits if a coach belittles his team when times are tuff.
We have had some hard times in the past but worked through them and I think we will work through these--may take a year or two. The pickings were slim when BV arrived due to the last regimes offensive focus, which many transferred, and slim DL and secondary recruits.
I've been a Sooner fan in bad times and good and no different this year. Believe there are better days ahead and wish I could fast forward to them, but as I've told my kids, life is not always fair and struggles show who you really are. We are the Oklahoma Sooners and you cannot keep us down.
I've read a lot of the comments on here since the beatdown by Texsucks. Much is very true and frustrates me as well. However, I contribute much to my own fault for expecting an overnight turn around thinking the first three games were how every game was going to turn out.
What I've come to realize is just how much work we really needed and still need. The last three teams were so much bigger and physical which had to do with how much stronger they were than us and we just wore out eventually. Our season seats are close to the field and it was really evident how much bigger other teams were than us. So, I have to give this staff time to build the team to their expectations which is going to take longer than the few months they had to work with before the season started. They were trying to bring in replacements for the players who moved on to the NFL and those who transferred while developing a different culture and recruit.
We are watching a complete overhaul and there are some ugly parts filling holes until the new parts arrive. I know it is as frustrating for BV as us. We can verbally thrash what we see but the staff has to hold the team together. It's not a good look to recruits if a coach belittles his team when times are tuff.
We have had some hard times in the past but worked through them and I think we will work through these--may take a year or two. The pickings were slim when BV arrived due to the last regimes offensive focus, which many transferred, and slim DL and secondary recruits.
I've been a Sooner fan in bad times and good and no different this year. Believe there are better days ahead and wish I could fast forward to them, but as I've told my kids, life is not always fair and struggles show who you really are. We are the Oklahoma Sooners and you cannot keep us down.
I have sat in the stadium pre 2000 watching the worst football ever, it turns around. Many don’t realize how bare the roster was when Brent arrived. No defensive recruiting and what was left behind was for a small “speed D” and this staff was needing SEC type bodies. If they can hold on to the next class, they can get the ship right. It should also be mentioned that the QB room was left in shambles and every team needs a solid leader. Right now we have zilch in that room. Hopefully our QB commit stays on board but that would have him starting as a freshman, still need a bridge.
I've read a lot of the comments on here since the beatdown by Texsucks. Much is very true and frustrates me as well. However, I contribute much to my own fault for expecting an overnight turn around thinking the first three games were how every game was going to turn out.
What I've come to realize is just how much work we really needed and still need. The last three teams were so much bigger and physical which had to do with how much stronger they were than us and we just wore out eventually. Our season seats are close to the field and it was really evident how much bigger other teams were than us. So, I have to give this staff time to build the team to their expectations which is going to take longer than the few months they had to work with before the season started. They were trying to bring in replacements for the players who moved on to the NFL and those who transferred while developing a different culture and recruit.
We are watching a complete overhaul and there are some ugly parts filling holes until the new parts arrive. I know it is as frustrating for BV as us. We can verbally thrash what we see but the staff has to hold the team together. It's not a good look to recruits if a coach belittles his team when times are tuff.
We have had some hard times in the past but worked through them and I think we will work through these--may take a year or two. The pickings were slim when BV arrived due to the last regimes offensive focus, which many transferred, and slim DL and secondary recruits.
I've been a Sooner fan in bad times and good and no different this year. Believe there are better days ahead and wish I could fast forward to them, but as I've told my kids, life is not always fair and struggles show who you really are. We are the Oklahoma Sooners and you cannot keep us down.
I have sat in the stadium pre 2000 watching the worst football ever, it turns around. Many don’t realize how bare the roster was when Brent arrived. No defensive recruiting and what was left behind was for a small “speed D” and this staff was needing SEC type bodies. If they can hold on to the next class, they can get the ship right. It should also be mentioned that the QB room was left in shambles and every team needs a solid leader. Right now we have zilch in that room. Hopefully our QB commit stays on board but that would have him starting as a freshman, still need a bridge.
Lebby needs to set up his QBs for success and I'm not seeing that right now. DG will stay but Beville is no #2 QB and I'm not sure Evers will be there next year either. Arnold needs a year to grasp the speed and more complex defenses. Like you say, we need a bridge but I just don't see that happening when Lebby has crowned DG the #1 QB.
If I was a good back up QB and was behind a good QB, I would take my talents to OU IF Lebby truly opened up the QB competition the following year. I don't think Lebby has it in him unless BV makes it happen. I like DG, but he's a great back up, not a true starter at a school like OU unless he makes a 180.
I've read a lot of the comments on here since the beatdown by Texsucks. Much is very true and frustrates me as well. However, I contribute much to my own fault for expecting an overnight turn around thinking the first three games were how every game was going to turn out.
What I've come to realize is just how much work we really needed and still need. The last three teams were so much bigger and physical which had to do with how much stronger they were than us and we just wore out eventually. Our season seats are close to the field and it was really evident how much bigger other teams were than us. So, I have to give this staff time to build the team to their expectations which is going to take longer than the few months they had to work with before the season started. They were trying to bring in replacements for the players who moved on to the NFL and those who transferred while developing a different culture and recruit.
We are watching a complete overhaul and there are some ugly parts filling holes until the new parts arrive. I know it is as frustrating for BV as us. We can verbally thrash what we see but the staff has to hold the team together. It's not a good look to recruits if a coach belittles his team when times are tuff.
We have had some hard times in the past but worked through them and I think we will work through these--may take a year or two. The pickings were slim when BV arrived due to the last regimes offensive focus, which many transferred, and slim DL and secondary recruits.
I've been a Sooner fan in bad times and good and no different this year. Believe there are better days ahead and wish I could fast forward to them, but as I've told my kids, life is not always fair and struggles show who you really are. We are the Oklahoma Sooners and you cannot keep us down.
I have sat in the stadium pre 2000 watching the worst football ever, it turns around. Many don’t realize how bare the roster was when Brent arrived. No defensive recruiting and what was left behind was for a small “speed D” and this staff was needing SEC type bodies. If they can hold on to the next class, they can get the ship right. It should also be mentioned that the QB room was left in shambles and every team needs a solid leader. Right now we have zilch in that room. Hopefully our QB commit stays on board but that would have him starting as a freshman, still need a bridge.
i have to believe that BV and company started conversations with the '23 kids and their families stating this straight up, that they didn't have what they needed on the current roster to get to where they need to be and that having them on board would be the first/best step in that direction
BV isn't going to publicly throw any of the kids on this current roster under a bus, the kids are doing what's asked of them to the best of their (limited) abilities with good attitudes and effort-
what WILL sour coaches on the state of things though is an impatient and uneducated fan base making silly-assed demands
onward through the fog
Psalm 34:14: "Depart from evil, do good, seek peace, and pursue it."
"what deliverer could break the power of Pharaoh?"
I have sat in the stadium pre 2000 watching the worst football ever, it turns around. Many don’t realize how bare the roster was when Brent arrived. No defensive recruiting and what was left behind was for a small “speed D” and this staff was needing SEC type bodies. If they can hold on to the next class, they can get the ship right. It should also be mentioned that the QB room was left in shambles and every team needs a solid leader. Right now we have zilch in that room. Hopefully our QB commit stays on board but that would have him starting as a freshman, still need a bridge.
Lebby needs to set up his QBs for success and I'm not seeing that right now. DG will stay but Beville is no #2 QB and I'm not sure Evers will be there next year either. Arnold needs a year to grasp the speed and more complex defenses. Like you say, we need a bridge but I just don't see that happening when Lebby has crowned DG the #1 QB.
If I was a good back up QB and was behind a good QB, I would take my talents to OU IF Lebby truly opened up the QB competition the following year. I don't think Lebby has it in him unless BV makes it happen. I like DG, but he's a great back up, not a true starter at a school like OU unless he makes a 180.
Agree. Lebby is a question right now, and DG is a good backup at best. I am concerned about the QB position most of all. By end of season, DG should be solid but he is in his last year or am I wrong on that?
Lebby needs to set up his QBs for success and I'm not seeing that right now. DG will stay but Beville is no #2 QB and I'm not sure Evers will be there next year either. Arnold needs a year to grasp the speed and more complex defenses. Like you say, we need a bridge but I just don't see that happening when Lebby has crowned DG the #1 QB.
If I was a good back up QB and was behind a good QB, I would take my talents to OU IF Lebby truly opened up the QB competition the following year. I don't think Lebby has it in him unless BV makes it happen. I like DG, but he's a great back up, not a true starter at a school like OU unless he makes a 180.
Agree. Lebby is a question right now, and DG is a good backup at best. I am concerned about the QB position most of all. By end of season, DG should be solid but he is in his last year or am I wrong on that?
He has 2 more years after this one. He played his first 2 and only 3 games last year before he was out for the year so that was a red shirt. Therefore, that leaves 2 + the covid year = 3 if I'm correct. He won't be here that long IMO but that is what he has left.
I will say this, even if DG is our #1 QB next year, then fine, get a backup ready. The key is to focus on the trenches especially the DL. Currently, I'm at a lost with the personnel we are playing. Downs 260 in a 3 tech, Redmond 295 NT, & Grimes 270 DE. You will get run over. This is my option but then again, I'm just a fan. Halton 275+ DE, Johnson/Coe 310 NT, Redmond 295 DE and IF R Mason plays - he is NEVER in a 4 point stance at 220. I about fell over when I saw this. He has a guy 100lbs bigger just pushing him all around, it's not fair to that kid.
Lebby needs to set up his QBs for success and I'm not seeing that right now. DG will stay but Beville is no #2 QB and I'm not sure Evers will be there next year either. Arnold needs a year to grasp the speed and more complex defenses. Like you say, we need a bridge but I just don't see that happening when Lebby has crowned DG the #1 QB.
If I was a good back up QB and was behind a good QB, I would take my talents to OU IF Lebby truly opened up the QB competition the following year. I don't think Lebby has it in him unless BV makes it happen. I like DG, but he's a great back up, not a true starter at a school like OU unless he makes a 180.
Agree. Lebby is a question right now, and DG is a good backup at best. I am concerned about the QB position most of all. By end of season, DG should be solid but he is in his last year or am I wrong on that?
i think you're right... no way Lebby should have left Beville out there as much as he did- it was painfully obvious that the kid is about as ineffective as he could possible be (intentionally sugar-coated) Booty apparently had an allergic reaction to something vs texsa and wasn't available but we damned sure should have seen Evers a lot sooner than we did-
the other glaring question mark imo is that he would abandon the wildcat (when it was highly effective in getting us into the red zone) in favor of Beville again- happened a couple of time iirc
on a normal OU team, yes, i think DG would prob be a back-up but i'm not sure he'd be here if he knew he wasn't "THE guy"- i thought RGIII made an excellent observation on DG's penchant to overthrow based on his mechanics- he physically demonstrated on camera how DG would take this huge stride forward as he released the ball which in effect causes the ball to soar- said that keeping that front leg closer and under the body would allow for them to be much closer to being on target- made a lot of sense to me
as far as me sugar-coating that statement above, i think that's what the staff is trying to do in pressers/interviews where they're not throwing anyone under the bus but they're not very good at it and it comes off as making excuses- that's the bad part about not being able to be honest with the media/fans about how this roster is handcuffing the staff, they can't very well bad mouth the players as that would leave a terrible taste in the mouths of current and future recruits (a bad look)
Psalm 34:14: "Depart from evil, do good, seek peace, and pursue it."
"what deliverer could break the power of Pharaoh?"
Agree. Lebby is a question right now, and DG is a good backup at best. I am concerned about the QB position most of all. By end of season, DG should be solid but he is in his last year or am I wrong on that?
i think you're right... no way Lebby should have left Beville out there as much as he did- it was painfully obvious that the kid is about as ineffective as he could possible be (intentionally sugar-coated) Booty apparently had an allergic reaction to something vs texsa and wasn't available but we damned sure should have seen Evers a lot sooner than we did-
the other glaring question mark imo is that he would abandon the wildcat (when it was highly effective in getting us into the red zone) in favor of Beville again- happened a couple of time iirc
on a normal OU team, yes, i think DG would prob be a back-up but i'm not sure he'd be here if he knew he wasn't "THE guy"- i thought RGIII made an excellent observation on DG's penchant to overthrow based on his mechanics- he physically demonstrated on camera how DG would take this huge stride forward as he released the ball which in effect causes the ball to soar- said that keeping that front leg closer and under the body would allow for them to be much closer to being on target- made a lot of sense to me
as far as me sugar-coating that statement above, i think that's what the staff is trying to do in pressers/interviews where they're not throwing anyone under the bus but they're not very good at it and it comes off as making excuses- that's the bad part about not being able to be honest with the media/fans about how this roster is handcuffing the staff, they can't very well bad mouth the players as that would leave a terrible taste in the mouths of current and future recruits (a bad look)
I've been to over 100 QB lessons and camps with Pro & College QBs with my son. When RGIII showed that my son texted me and said, remember I learned that in 4th grade. You can't stride out like a pitcher, you barely move your front foot, mainly to open it to your target. This is elementary, not pro stuff. In addition, DGs release starts at his chest whereas it should go straight up and out. His high throws are due to the long stride which is jumping at the throw which creates a high release point - thus the overthrows. It's so basic, it kills me. My son who was offered as a PWO at SMU said, dad, I could throw for over 39 yards out of the stands and 3 plays. It's not that FREAKING hard.
Like you, we drive the ball from the 25 to their 30 only to put Beville back in the game - made zero sense. Don't stop what you are doing until they stop you - don't get cute.
All this said, when you have a D who has the wrong personnel playing in wrong spots and they aren't that good to begin with, it doesn't matter if we had Patrick Mahomes, well, maybe Patrick may have won that game for us but he's a once in a lifetime QB.
