I was thinking C+/B-. Hard not to give the low B range simply due to the numbers...though the numbers do lie fairly significantly; dude missed a ton of easy throws to wide open dudes. Then again, there were also a ton of horrific drops. Tough call, this one. And I'm a guy, who on multiple occasions has said he sucks. He does have a rag arm and is probably getting the most out of it, to be fair.
I was thinking C+/B-. Hard not to give the low B range simply due to the numbers...though the numbers do lie fairly significantly; dude missed a ton of easy throws to wide open dudes. Then again, there were also a ton of horrific drops. Tough call, this one. And I'm a guy, who on multiple occasions has said he sucks. He does have a rag arm and is probably getting the most out of it, to be fair.
Yeah, I was definitely comparing him to Baker, Kyler and Jalen. I was hoping for someone with their skill sets when he came in. He did put up mostly good numbers at UCF...but it was UCF.
Something always concerned me though about his UCF stats....his TD/INT ratio was good, but he had a rather pedestrian 60% completion percentage. The 3 aforementioned OU QBs all had completion percentages at 69.7% or higher. After the fact, all of the 3 OU QBs threw for over 3000 yards in a season, and all had a lot more TDs in a single season than 24.
I agree there were a lot of drops but I'd say there were an equal number of bad throws. Gabriel was abysmal on 3rd downs, and he never really took over a game over and willed us to a win. He lacks that "it" factor Baker and Kyler and Jalen had.
Factoring all these things in, I'll go up to a C, but I can't go any higher than that. I don't see him making it in the NFL. I'd be shocked if he's even drafted.
Had DG been on the team last year, he'd have been the #3 QB at the highest.
I was thinking C+/B-. Hard not to give the low B range simply due to the numbers...though the numbers do lie fairly significantly; dude missed a ton of easy throws to wide open dudes. Then again, there were also a ton of horrific drops. Tough call, this one. And I'm a guy, who on multiple occasions has said he sucks. He does have a rag arm and is probably getting the most out of it, to be fair.
Yeah, I was definitely comparing him to Baker, Kyler and Jalen. I was hoping for someone with their skill sets when he came in. He did put up mostly good numbers at UCF...but it was UCF.
Something always concerned me though about his UCF stats....his TD/INT ratio was good, but he had a rather pedestrian 60% completion percentage. The 3 aforementioned OU QBs all had completion percentages at 69.7% or higher. After the fact, all of the 3 OU QBs threw for over 3000 yards in a season, and all had a lot more TDs in a single season than 24.
I agree there were a lot of drops but I'd say there were an equal number of bad throws. Gabriel was abysmal on 3rd downs, and he never really took over a game over and willed us to a win. He lacks that "it" factor Baker and Kyler and Jalen had.
Factoring all these things in, I'll go up to a C, but I can't go any higher than that. I don't see him making it in the NFL. I'd be shocked if he's even drafted.
Had DG been on the team last year, he'd have been the #3 QB at the highest.
All very valid points. I agree that he will not be drafted. To me, he's a less accurate Heupel.
Disagree on the OL, Eric. You are saying all the right things though.
That sounds a little like a goodbye.
Absolutely no reason to stay. He'll get drafted and RB's are less valuable the more wear and tear they have. If you are a NFL RB these days, you need to get the money when you can.
I was thinking C+/B-. Hard not to give the low B range simply due to the numbers...though the numbers do lie fairly significantly; dude missed a ton of easy throws to wide open dudes. Then again, there were also a ton of horrific drops. Tough call, this one. And I'm a guy, who on multiple occasions has said he sucks. He does have a rag arm and is probably getting the most out of it, to be fair.
Disagree on the OL, Eric. You are saying all the right things though.
To the O Line’s credit, it’s a tough assignment run blocking when the D knows you have zero threat of an intermediate passing game and a 20% or less completion rate on deep passes, there’s nothing to keep the safeties honest and they still churned out close to 200 yards a game.
If we had a QB that could force safeties to play further off the line, the O Line would have looked much better. They were also never the reason we lost a game, unlike ALL the other position groups.
I'll give Gabriel a B+. But I really split his season into a few "grades," so its definitely cumulative. Early on he was fairly accurate and in command of offense and very protective of the ball, garnering him and early A or A-. Then, middle of season he became very inconsistent with many huge overthrows, very little touch, rifled every pass, and became much less protective of the football. I'd say he's in the D+ or C- Range during that period. But then, the guy really did improve his last several games. His throws were much more accurate, overthrows were basically gone, there was a little more touch, and his Deep Ball finally improved (immensely) and got the air under it that we'd all been waiting for. Its the drops that killed him (and us) during this last period, not DG. I'd say last 3 games he could easily be an A. So, all that together, B+ from me.
I loved watching him actually improve throughout the year, with better command of the offense, his decisions, and his throws. I have no doubt he'll be back, and with another year to improve and stay with lebby, He has a chance to be in New York next season.
Im actually With Dean on this one.. He sat out the season. I say at some point during offseason, bring Cale back. No ones gonna give two shits about the "incident" anymore.
I'll give Gabriel a B+. But I really split his season into a few "grades," so its definitely cumulative. Early on he was fairly accurate and in command of offense and very protective of the ball, garnering him and early A or A-. Then, middle of season he became very inconsistent with many huge overthrows, very little touch, rifled every pass, and became much less protective of the football. I'd say he's in the D+ or C- Range during that period. But then, the guy really did improve his last several games. His throws were much more accurate, overthrows were basically gone, there was a little more touch, and his Deep Ball finally improved (immensely) and got the air under it that we'd all been waiting for. Its the drops that killed him (and us) during this last period, not DG. I'd say last 3 games he could easily be an A. So, all that together, B+ from me.
I loved watching him actually improve throughout the year, with better command of the offense, his decisions, and his throws. I have no doubt he'll be back, and with another year to improve and stay with lebby, He has a chance to be in New York next season.
I believe all but one of his interceptions were on tipped balls. And, with a couple of games left, there were something like eight or nine dropped TD passes. We've gotten used to QB's who were Heisman winners and first overall draft picks. DG's not one of those, but he's not trash like some want to say. If he were our weakest link, we'd be playing in the Big-12 championship.
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Disagree on the OL, Eric. You are saying all the right things though.
That sounds a little like a goodbye.
The Sawchuck/Barnes era starts in the bowl ...at least it should...I'd love to see what Sawchuck brings...but BV prob expects Eric to play and I suppose he should and maybe help his stock a little in the process
Im actually With Dean on this one.. He sat out the season. I say at some point during offseason, bring Cale back. No ones gonna give two shits about the "incident" anymore.
I think we all know better. Joe C is weak, he would never bring him back even though they should
The moments on defense when we got pressure and finished the play... and the interceptions by Stutsman and Jonah were nice to see the D being disruptive ...but man that last game they really looked baddddd...I thought after bedlam maybe they turned a corner but BB5 looked horrible and he's playing our most important db position
Im actually With Dean on this one.. He sat out the season. I say at some point during offseason, bring Cale back. No ones gonna give two shits about the "incident" anymore.
Joe C won't allow. He's woke.
I think we all know better. Joe C is weak, he would never bring him back even though they should
Has anyone ever asked BV or Lebby why Jeff is in the box, rather than on sideline? Is that what Jeff prefers?
I'm under the impression that most OC's who aren't also HC's call plays from the box. It gives you a better view of what's going on. It's a little different with DC's because they have to react to what the offense is trotting out and the call down from the booth adds a second or two. Though I think Roof is in the box as well.
The Sawchuck/Barnes era starts in the bowl ...at least it should...I'd love to see what Sawchuck brings...but BV prob expects Eric to play and I suppose he should and maybe help his stock a little in the process
Have you heard anything about Barnes shopping around? Hope it’s just talk. Went through Durant yesterday morning so was close to you but we were on a schedule and couldn’t make unplanned stops.😁
C average Qb that overthrew a lot of receivers, too short if he doesn’t have wide open throwing lane, didn’t see much leadership from him. Will not be the starter next year if competition if fair. That’s assuming JA comes here. I’m not ready to make that assumption.
C average Qb that overthrew a lot of receivers, too short if he doesn’t have wide open throwing lane, didn’t see much leadership from him. Will not be the starter next year if competition if fair. That’s assuming JA comes here. I’m not ready to make that assumption.
Man I firmly disagree. I think he showed how valuable he is to the team. I think another year under Lebby and he will be top 5 qb next season. He's got the tools, and continuously improved all season long. He hasnt played a whole lot of football, reallly, and I expect his senior season to be a great one.
As for the leadership aspect.. I think thats on BV. I dont like the rotating captain crap all season long. Doesnt really allow any one to develop into the leadership role. I hope he picks captains next season, and they are captains the WHOLE season (barring a reason to change it.)
